Pity, that. Religion.
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Daystar.pathwaymachine |
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If Tanaka, Rambo, phre8zero got together and figured it out. That it wasn't figuarable. That would be cool.
Pity, that. Religion. |
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Rambo123UK |
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Religion is just a product of human ignorance and fear.
"I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble
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Daystar.pathwaymachine |
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Rambo123UK wrote: Well, what isn't? |
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Science, which is knowledge born of human curiosity, discovery and intelligence.
"I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble
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Invunche |
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Like salty licorice.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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Daystar.pathwaymachine |
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Rambo123UK wrote: You intentionally provoke me? I have nothing against working science until one of you evolutionist proselytes starts blowing your own horns. Isn't that odd? Like I said. What isn't religion? Truth? AKA Science / Xianity. What isn't religion? Something that isn't fucked up by man. Which excludes curiosity, discovery and intelligence? Talk about presumptious. Might as well try and talk morality with a Xian, dumbass. Can't you see that? No? 'cause you are religious. |
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Daystar.pathwaymachine |
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Invunche wrote: I'm sorry . . . I just can't take you serious with that avatar, Vunche. Back in the 1980's my younger brother had a perm like that and would strike that same pose. Now I know that most of you so called Atheists like SCIFYE, but I mean it was always like comic books and and a washed down Jesus to me. I just can't see it happening for you like that. Your previous avatar was, ugly as hell, but at least I could take it seriously on some level. You look like that guy on Karate Kid. The Sense Say - I don't think. Just go and get a space one or something. I mean this is coming from someone with an animated superhero avatar. Listen to me. Seriously. |
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Max4001.wastelandofwonders |
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So religion is just a product of human ignorance and fear...hmmm What then drives the atheist to his non-belief?
Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are
religious believers. It isn't just that I don't believe in God and, naturally, I hope that I'm right in my belief. It's that I hope there is no
God! I don't want there to be a God; I don't want the universe to be like that. --Thomas Nagel
- Ravi Zacharias
William Lane Craig on the Meaning of Life
Reasonable Faith (Wheaton: Crossway Books, 1994)
Other animals have instincts to guide them, but man has learned to ask questions. "Who am I?" man asks. "Why am I here? Where am I
going?" Since the Enlightenment, when he threw off the shackles of religion, man has tried to answer these questions without reference to God. But the
answers that came back were not exhilarating, but dark and terrible. "You are the accidental by-product of nature, a result of matter plus time plus
chance. There is no reason for your existence. All you face is death." Modern man thought that when he had gotten rid of God, he had freed himself from
all that repressed and stifled him. Instead, he discovered that in killing God, he had also killed himself.
That really cuts to the heart of the matter. All the enlightenment in the world cannot cure the darkness of man's soul. Cheers, Max |
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Daystar.pathwaymachine |
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Max - So religion is just a product of human ignorance and fear...hmmm What then drives the atheist to his non-belief?
Day - Uh, ignorance and hope, oddly enough. Max - Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun Star - i don't know about Heyword, sounds like Dawkins. An idiot. ramble on. Dont you eve post a pictuer of Ravi Zacharias . Just don't. Oh! Says Ravi Fuckuriahs. Blah blah blah, who cares? Idiot. If, says Ravi Suckyoriass, shit were gold you would hang yourself with it. I can't deal with you people anymore. Thats it. |
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Max4001.wastelandofwonders |
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Daystar wrote:Wow...does medication help with that at all? so that's it? Promise? Max |
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busterggi.sabdiscussionboard |
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No, Davey gets fed up and leaves forever on a regular basis.
No medication is strong enough to help him. As to your quotes, believers & apologists suffer from delusions of adequacy - they'd rather suffer from delusions of grandeur but that wouldn't be humble now would it? |
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But the answers that came back were not exhilarating, but dark and terrible. "You are the accidental by-product of nature, a result of matter plus time plus chance. There is no reason for your existence. All you face is death." Modern man thought that when he had gotten rid of God, he had freed himself from all that repressed and stifled him. Instead, he discovered that in killing God, he had also killed himself. Like I said, ignorance and fear, as described by a religious person. Too scared by the conclusion that a lack of evidence for supernatural powers results in there being no meaning to life.# Lack of reason, "random chance" seems so offensive to theists. In fact in humans in general. Kids don't like it when mum or dad answers "Because" to the query, "But why?". Helga Gunnarsdottir can't stand it when a tree falls on her son Thorval during a storm. "Why?!?" She creams, "why has my son been taken from me?" "High winds and lightning" is not an answer she is prepared to accept. Unfeeling, uncaring "random chance" is not something she can blame for her bereavement, instead the anger of the storm god is blamed. Human thoughts and emotions are projected onto inanimate forces and objects. Craig is doing this for the entire universe. That's all. "I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble
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Rambo123UK wrote:It is an interesting point that atheists spend an awful lot of time fighting against and talking about something they don't believe in. There seems to be an intense fear there actually may be a God...out there..somewhere. I've always said....I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Cheers, Max |
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There seems to be an intense fear there actually may be a God...out there..somewhere.Nope. We're not afraid of gods. We're afraid of their followers. Mac ::: who thinks you shoulda seen that one comin' :::
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize
them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes." Jack Handey
Freethinkers Pub Boomer Bay (For those born 1946-1964) |
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Max4001 wrote: More wrong that interesting, actually. It is religion we talk about and fight against. Atheists do not deny the existence of religion and why the hell would we? Max4001 wrote: Classic theist attack. Projecting your own fears on us. If anyone is afraid it is you. Your lives revolve around god(s) and you have no idea how to find meaning without your sky daddy. Max4001 wrote: So we now know you've been spouting bullshit since forever. It doesn't surprise me.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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Risky1.freedomfromreli... |
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Max4001 wrote:Dude! Let us see, you have enough faith in a 1600 year old compilation of manuscripts cut and pasted together from various gnostic judean, egyptian, and hellenic texts or scrolls which floated around the early christian movement as being the absolute true and accurate word of your God; and rather than be startled at any thing which is not manifestly 100% true and correct you find it easier to have faith in it rather than consider the possibility some ancient guy might have just been full shit or maybe just incredibly ignorant? Yep the bar of proof for a person who is willing to do a little investigation gets higher and higher as knowledge increases, one of the reasons little kids get upset if you tell them took their nose but slightly older ones notice it is not a nose at all tucked away in your hand.
But again it is the absurd and its contradictory life that teaches us. For the mistake is thinking that quantity of experience
depends on circumstances of our life when it depends soley on us.
Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus, translated by J. O'Brien, copyright 1955 by Alfred A. Knopf |
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Science worshipers annoy the shit out of me. Just about the same way overly religious people annoy me. It's like atheists use science as an excuse not to
believe in a god of some type when science cannot prove not disprove the god theory. There is an internal atheist debate about whether or not the god question
even belongs in science. Most say it doesn't have any place there. I mean we all know religion is bullshit but needless to say nobody really knows whether
there is a god or not.
So the atheist always resorts to science as if some man made idea of how things are supposed to be could ever really explain the universe with or without god. Science is great but it's not the end all. Science is just one key on the key ring. Nothing more. |
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Rambo123UK |
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It's like atheists use science as an excuse not to believe in a god of some type when science cannot prove not disprove the god theory. God is not a theory, it barely even qualifies as a [failed] hypothesis. But any scientific hypothesis stands or falls on its own merits. God falls. But science is not attempting to "disprove" god. God(s) are just the attempts of man to explain "why?" before we were able to answer the questions scientifically. There is now no reason to believe silly stories man up by frightened, ignorant, superstitious stone age goatherds sitting around a campfire. Science answers the same questions as "god" does in that it explains how we came to be here on earth. Except with facts, not made-up stories. I mean we all know religion is bullshit but needless to say nobody really knows whether there is a god or not. Gods are just anthropic projections onto inanimate forces and objects. So the atheist always resorts to science as if some man made idea of how things are supposed to be could ever really explain the universe with or without god. Don't you realise that "god" is something made up by man as an answer? Science and "god" answer the same question. There's no reason to have both science and god as an answer. God then becomes redundant. If a universe with god looks identical to one without then god is an unnecessary complication. "I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble
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God is not a theory, it barely even qualifies as a [failed] hypothesis. Here is the Merriam Webster Dictionary definition of a theory: Main Entry: the·o·ry Listen to the pronunciation of theory Pronunciation: \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural the·o·ries Etymology: Late Latin theoria, from Greek theōria, from theōrein Date: 1592 1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another 2: abstract thought : speculation 3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art 4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -often used in the phrase in theory 5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena 6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject So based on this I would have to say the god question could in fact be a theory, failed or not. But let's say that it isn't a theory just for the sake of argument, in that case it has absolutely no place in science at all what-so-ever and therefore science cannot ever explain the god question. Something doesn't necessarily have to be a theory or a hypothesis to be a valid question. Like I said, science is not the end all. But science is not attempting to "disprove" god. God(s) are just the attempts of man to explain "why?" before we were able to answer the questions scientifically. There is now no reason to believe silly stories man up by frightened, ignorant, superstitious stone age goatherds sitting around a campfire. I agree with this but it still doesn't mean that it isn't a valid question. The traditional God of the Bible type of deity is what you are trying to explain away and that's fine but it doesn't do anything for the deeper issue of is there some sort of creative consciousness out there that we humans would consider a "God". I agree that most of what we traditionally attribute to God can be explained as man trying to fill in the blanks before the realization of science. But that only explains it away on a small scale not the bigger picture. I am aware that science is not out to disprove god but there are scientists out there who try to say there is no god because science doesn't allow it. Same thing. Science answers the same questions as "god" does in that it explains how we came to be here on earth. Except with facts, not made-up stories. Science actually cannot fully answer how we cme to be here and especially supplies no facts on the matter. But how we came to be here is not the only question people who seek god want answered. Gods are just anthropic projections onto inanimate forces and objects. Opinions do us no good in this discussion. That is exactly what I'm talking about. Don't you realise that "god" is something made up by man as an answer? Science and "god" answer the same question. I disagree with that. As someone who grew up in a religious home I can tell you that is false. Not many are looking to science to understand true meaning in their personal life. And not many are looking to God to answer how bats communicate with each other or what the average range of human hearing is. Thousands of years ago the ancients would attribute things like rainbows to God but nobody believes that anymore. You do not know for a fact that god is made up by man although we can assume that most things traditionally attributed to him are false (such as rainbows). People have attributed the invention of the internet to Al Gore. Of course this is false but it doesn't mean that Al Gore doesn't exist. If a universe with god looks identical to one without then god is an unnecessary complication. But you don't even know what the universe looks like with or without God because you do not know if there is or isn't a God to begin with. Faulty logic in my opinion. |
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Max4001.wastelandofwonders |
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Yo...girl..what's up? Max PS I just a harmless fuzzball. Don't be scared.
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Invunche wrote:I don't. Just a fact. Your opinion on that is meaningless, much like what atheism does to sense and purpose in life. Richard Dawkins said" There is at bottom no design, purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pointless indifference...We are machines for propagating DNA". Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden, A Darwinian View of Life, 1996 Atheist philosophers have acknowledged the absurdity and lack of ultimate meaning in life. So they pretend it has meaning. Hope, faith and love...we have a different view altogether. Cheers, Max |
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