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Posts: 2722 (09/08/09 16:07:39) |
The fact that none of those gents found it necessary to use the word "shit" when addressing Davies's claims greatly enhances their credibility -- for me, anyway. Not me. The more honest and real a person is while ignoring the political correctness of things the better. |
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Posts: 221 (09/08/09 17:01:39) |
What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity doesn't enhance at all the chances of persuading somebody else to change his/her own opinion, but
is likely to have the oposite effect?
What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity only serves to reveal the immaturity and insecurity of those who make use of it? What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity in a message board is really a completely useless attempt to intimidate others -- since pixel patterns and sound bites on their own have absolutely no power to cause any physical harm? 
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Posts: 221 (09/08/09 18:23:36) |
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Posts: 13764 (09/08/09 18:43:00) Tooth Fairy Agnostic |
What exactly do you think is wrong with using "profanity"? And in any case, shit is not profanity. Profane means showing disrespect for what is
sacred. Blasphemy is profanity; shit, fuck, piss, arse and cunt are just obscenities.
"I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble 
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Posts: 437 (09/08/09 19:50:39) |
Invunche wrote: Your crypto-evangelical political views set you apart from the pack. 
You're unique, Invunche.
I am of the belief that abortion is a religious practice and wanted to read atheists' thoughts on this light-hearted topic. Take your time, Invunche. 
But know this: Hitchens would not be afraid to answer the question. 
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Posts: 125 (09/08/09 23:27:48) |
And Max, I used the analogy specifically in response to WC's suggestion above, that god used evolution. Evolution in of itself does not disprove god, though it goes a long way to removing the case for such an entity. Agreed that evolution in and of itself does not disprove God. You actually have to have a life-permitting universe and life-supporting, functioning biological chemicals to even begin to get to a point where you are thinking mutation, reproduction and natural selection. If there were too many hurdles with no reasonable mechanisms to get there...not anough time to happen "naturally" ...it actually can be very solid evidence that God exists. Max |
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Posts: 221 (09/08/09 23:35:27) |
Rambo123UK wrote:Our thoughts on this issue are too far apart for me to try to establish a meaningful dialogue.
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Posts: 221 (09/08/09 23:42:46) |
If you'd still like to argue, please argue with Wikipedia:
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Posts: 2722 (10/08/09 00:08:12) |
What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity doesn't enhance at all the chances of persuading somebody else to change his/her own opinion, but is likely to have the oposite effect? I agree with that opinion but I am not trying to prove anything to anyone here. Everyone here is too far gone for that. What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity only serves to reveal the immaturity and insecurity of those who make use of it? I disagree with that. I like obscenities, alot. If you think using this word over that word is immature than that is your opinion but I disagree. As for insecurities? Ridiculous, everyone I know uses obscenities at some time or another, I don't think they are all insecure. What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity in a message board is really a completely useless attempt to intimidate others -- since pixel patterns and sound bites on their own have absolutely no power to cause any physical harm? image I don't think anyone here wants to cause physical harm to anybody else here. Saying words like shit and fuck are not intimidating to me so I don't expect them to be intimidating to very many other people, unless they are religious or children are present. 
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Posts: 221 (10/08/09 01:02:01) |
WordClock wrote:I'm a bit more optimistic about the possibility of people changing their behavior when they realize that the latter is not in their own best interests.
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Posts: 2722 (10/08/09 02:58:55) |
But I don't really care what anyone else believes when it all comes down to it. I don't want to change people's mind at all when it comes to
religion. When it comes to politics I tend to care a bit more but still not enough to not to use obscenities. Everything has a price I guess.
The few people I do care about changing their minds (when it comes to politics) aren't the kind of people who deny evidence because of the word "shit". |
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Posts: 221 (10/08/09 04:15:24) |
But I don't really care what anyone else believes when it all comes down to it.Would you still not care if the majority believed that WordClock should be burned at the stake for his beliefs? Are you sure that we can never return to a social environment in which such an event can occur? Politics and religion have often been very intimately intertwined. That's why it's so important to maintain a wall of separation between church and state. But that can happen only as long as the public is well informed. And conspiracy theorists like Axle Jones, by muddying the waters, are making it more difficult to keep the public well informed.
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Posts: 125 (10/08/09 04:38:07) |
WordClock wrote:That is not consistent with the facts. You have made numerous assertions (without basis I might add) to convince others your view is correct.
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Posts: 221 (10/08/09 05:01:36) |
WC keeps changing his own mind without recognizing it.
Nothing wrong with changing our mind. That's the only way we can learn. And one of the things we need to learn is to learn to recognize when we have changed our mind. And another is to recognize when we're standing on solid ground, so that we don't need to change our mind as often or as much. Trying to stay in orbit around Axle Jones & Co makes it extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to stand on solid ground. The spin they put on the facts is too great. That difficulty is called "cognitive dissonance".
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Posts: 2722 (10/08/09 19:21:53) |
What does Axle Jones have to do with religious beliefs? I think you have a man crush on Jones.
WC keeps changing his own mind without recognizing it. Oh no, make no mistake I completely recognize my changes in opinion. I don't see anything wrong with changing your mind on something after seeing evidence or gathering more info. It's kinda like science, it adapts with new information. Nothing is worse than a person who never changes their mind no matter how compelling the evidence, stubbornness is ignorance. And one of the things we need to learn is to learn to recognize when we have changed our mind. Like the thread we have going at my board where I admit that I used to being very religious and changed my mind? The one that you commented on? And another is to recognize when we're standing on solid ground, so that we don't need to change our mind as often or as much. Non-sense. See above. Trying to stay in orbit around Axle Jones & Co makes it extremely difficult -- if not impossible -- to stand on solid ground. The spin they put on the facts is too great. Watching a few Axle Jones videos is no worse than watching a few Michael Shermer videos. BTW, I watched Shermer debate a Creationist on a youtube video last night in which Shermer was annihilated. There were so many points that Shermer didn't make that could have earned him the victory but instead he kinda gave up and started getting nasty. The Creationist wasn't even that good of a debater but Michael Shermer was horrible. So while the people we may be occasional fans of aren't perfect, who is? |
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Posts: 221 (11/08/09 07:26:53) |
Yes, I admit that you have sometimes admitted that you have changed your mind, based on the evidence which has been brought up.
What I can't understand is why you keep ignoring the detailed evidence which has been repeatedly brought up in this board proving that the allegations by Axle Jones about 9-11 are completely groundless.
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Posts: 221 (11/08/09 07:32:39) |
I think you have a man crush on Jones.If I had a man crush on Jones I would be defending his allegations, like you are, rather than trying to crush them. P.S. Are you Jones? Do you have a man crush on yourself? 
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Posts: 3212 (11/08/09 07:47:39) Arch-Cynic
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Try telling WC that Alex Jones is obese and the man-crush becomes very apparent by the response.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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Posts: 221 (11/08/09 08:08:24) |
WC, did you know that Alex Jones is obese?
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Posts: 13764 (11/08/09 19:07:19) Tooth Fairy Agnostic |
What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity doesn't enhance at all the chances of persuading somebody else to change his/her own opinion, but is likely to have the oposite effect?What if I sincerely don't give a toss? My honest opinion is that Davies is full of shit. Why bother with several long words when one short one is far more appropriate? What if one honestly believes that the use of profanity only serves to reveal the immaturity and insecurity of those who make use of it?Why? What do you think is wrong with those particular words? Because they are vulgarities? Again, look at the etymology. Vulgar, meaning common, and therefore, insultingly, coarse and unrefined, and thus snobbery in origin. In any case, I use "profanity" because I like the words, because I don't think there is anything to be despised about the English vernacular, and for effect, not least of which is the apoplexy of small-minded twats who start shitting bricks whenever one such term is used within earshot. "I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth - certainly greater than sex, although sex isn`t too bad either" Harold Pinter Bible Babble
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