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Tiglibud	Have you found Jesus?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 259 (11/05/09 04:37:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Hey all...Been away, did ya's notice? Care? Doubt it...Whatever. Any hoooooo....You find Jesus yet? Bunch of non-believers that you are...I will guess ...ummmmmmNO? Awwwwww...That's okay. No problem. See...whilst you are all fighting over the next coming or not=coming ...or existing or not-existing ...some of us have time for other things. Like not worrying over it all. You know...I must just say one last tiny thing before I bugger off... What does it matter ...really? If you don't believe/vs. if you do believe? Take a really close look at it. Does it really make any bloody diff? If you do believe...it has its perks. You get piece of mind that there is a life after...a place of heavenly bliss to hang out in ...for all eternity. If you do not believe...it has its perks also... You don't need to think about your behaviour having a lasting affect on a possible 'life-after' ...so go right ahead and do what you want. There is no reason to be 'good' Enjoy your eternity ...or not. HUGS!
Propaganster		#1	[-]
Posts: 410 (11/05/09 05:00:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yeah, I found Jesus - he's the guy working over at Taco Bell, right? ~Strength is not measured by the force one uses without but the clout one yields from within ~ Signature designed by Shamrockgirl54
Tiglibud		#2	[-]
Posts: 259 (11/05/09 05:08:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No silly ...nobody dares to call their child Jesus anymore, haven't ya's noticed? I wonder...why is that? I'd think it'd be a cool name to have ...and yet... there is only one recorded "Jesus" in history that I'm aware of ...and whilst I'm at it ...Why don't we call a child "god" ...that'd be a kind'a cool name ...don't ya's think. Such a silly bunch of humans we all are... silly ...silly ...silly!
Invunche		#3	[-]
Posts: 3212 (11/05/09 05:43:03) Arch-Cynic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The name Jesus is fairly common in Spanish speaking countries/cultures. Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
Tiglibud		#4	[-]
Posts: 259 (11/05/09 07:26:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well...I'm not Spanish ...and I haven't heard it used here in Canada ...LIKE ..EVER! ....I heard, Peter, Paul, John, Simon, etc/and so-forth ...but "Jesus" ...NO. That is a Taboo name to call a child ...here at least. And I personally think that it says something. It says that we are unable to get the tales out of our culture ...and why? Because the name "Jesus" signifies the ideal of "GOD" ...and God ...for some ...actually has 'a meaning' ...and despite what you might wish to believe or not believe ...The ideal and the teachings of "Jesus, as God" ...has moulded and shaped society into a better place to live. SO SUCK IT UP!
Invunche		#5	[-]
Posts: 3212 (11/05/09 11:28:33) Arch-Cynic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't blame me for your ignorance. Your theory that no one names their child Jesus is simply wrong. Please come back once your keyboard has been fixed. Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
Rambo123UK		#6	[-]
Posts: 13764 (11/05/09 12:26:26) Tooth Fairy Agnostic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There are at least eleven different people called Jesus in the writings of Josephus and not one of them was the man in question. You get piece of mind that there is a life after...a place of heavenly bliss to hang out in ...for all eternity. Oh, and I get peace of mind by giving ignorant believers a piece of my mind. A drunk man may be happier than a sober man, but his liver is not such a pretty sight. Drugs eh? What's the point. They make you forget, make you talk funny, make you see things that aren't there. My old grandma got all of that for free when she had a stroke. - Gene Hunt Bible Babble
Risky1.freedomfromreli...		#7	[-]
Posts: 353 (11/05/09 14:46:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Seems you have no concept of eternity Tigli. Ready for a truth? Everything dies even stars and universes and eventually the entire cosmos. So the expression of eternity sort of fails now does it not? But again it is the absurd and its contradictory life that teaches us. For the mistake is thinking that quantity of experience depends on circumstances of our life when it depends soley on us. Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus, translated by J. O'Brien, copyright 1955 by Alfred A. Knopf
Propaganster		#8	[-]
Posts: 410 (12/05/09 01:54:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They shall pray for you Risky, so that your soul may exist beyond the death of even this Universe. ~Strength is not measured by the force one uses without but the clout one yields from within ~ Signature designed by Shamrockgirl54
Macaroo		#9	[-]
Posts: 1067 (12/05/09 12:07:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you do not believe...it has its perks also... You don't need to think about your behaviour having a lasting affect on a possible 'life-after' ...so go right ahead and do what you want. There is no reason to be 'good' Yep. That's me, all right. Day after giddy day, I get to break whatever laws or social conventions I want to, and when I'm called to account for it...while I'm still alive, mind you...people just say, "Oh, sorry! The rest of us may have to behave ourselves, but you get to do whatever you want because you don't, you know, believe in God. Our apologies." Mac "It's nice to see that look of alarm on the faces of the others." ~ Graham Chapman Freethinkers Pub Boomer Bay (For those born 1946-1964)
Propaganster		#10	[-]
Posts: 410 (12/05/09 22:59:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I like the sound of that law Mac - "You can't punish me, your God never told me not to do it." ~Strength is not measured by the force one uses without but the clout one yields from within ~ Signature designed by Shamrockgirl54
Macaroo		#11	[-]
Posts: 1067 (13/05/09 18:01:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I like the sound of that law Mac - "You can't punish me, your God never told me not to do it." ...and that might even work except for the part where most of us feel as badly as other adequately socialized humans if we hurt somebody else, regardless of what gods we worship or don't worship and whether or not we're caught in a transgression. Damn you, DNA!!! Damn you to hellllll!!! Mac "It's nice to see that look of alarm on the faces of the others." ~ Graham Chapman Freethinkers Pub Boomer Bay (For those born 1946-1964)
Propaganster		#12	[-]
Posts: 410 (13/05/09 18:16:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'l just say I don't believe in DNA... ~Strength is not measured by the force one uses without but the clout one yields from within ~ Signature designed by Shamrockgirl54
Risky1.freedomfromreli...		#13	[-]
Posts: 353 (13/05/09 18:46:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Is it DNA Mac? Or is it the nurturing provided by parents and learning of societal taboo? I am actually interested in just where nature leaves off and nurture takes over. I have a large family with varied genetics and the split between believers and free thinkers is about 50/50. Yet if one goes by just strait genetic relationships, like my three older step sisters who I was raised with, two are believers and one is not, my only full brother is an atheist and I am a hard agnostic (meaning I see far greater empirical evidence supporting a random and unplanned universe than I do in an ordered and planned universe), I have five younger half siblings from differing fathers of those one still proffesses a belief but does not seem overly attached to it, one is an outspoken atheist and the other one is an opportunistic believer. The last three have the same mother and father. The two youngest are an even split one believing and one not. We were all raised as active christians and with exception of the last two we had a consistant set of parental units for the most part. So the question here is belief a genetic thing or a nurture thing. There was some discussion of the finding of a god gene so that may explain a great deal. But again it is the absurd and its contradictory life that teaches us. For the mistake is thinking that quantity of experience depends on circumstances of our life when it depends soley on us. Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus, translated by J. O'Brien, copyright 1955 by Alfred A. Knopf
Druid the WebMaster	Eternity???	#14	[-]
Posts: 178 (13/05/09 19:53:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Things change, Risky but once created as far as eternity is concerned it will last forever so to speak …. Ex: If I draw a circle in the middle of a blue-line paper and color the center of the circle bright yellow with the words idiot in its center. Then set fire to the blue-line and watch it burn completely away, the circle in the middle of a blue-line paper with a bright yellow color and the words idiot in its center. has changed but far from never having happened at all. The idea will last an eternity and even If I draw a circle in the middle of a new blue-line paper and color the center of the circle bright yellow with the words idiot in its center. The original will still be the original and not a copy or the old original work of art so "Seems you have no concept of eternity Tigli. Ready for a truth? Everything dies even stars and universes and eventually the entire cosmos. So the expression of eternity sort of fails now does it not?" will exist forever even if you change them. They remain bogus! Hope this is of some use for you all.
Risky1.freedomfromreli...		#15	[-]
Posts: 353 (13/05/09 23:13:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Is there anyway you could make that last post more incomprehensible and entirely illogical? But again it is the absurd and its contradictory life that teaches us. For the mistake is thinking that quantity of experience depends on circumstances of our life when it depends soley on us. Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus, translated by J. O'Brien, copyright 1955 by Alfred A. Knopf
Macaroo		#16	[-]
Posts: 1067 (14/05/09 01:16:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	So the question here is belief a genetic thing or a nurture thing. Well, that's a good question, but the DNA to which I was referring was that which makes us social animals. We tend to be generally empathetic and cooperative; at least among our own tribal divisions. Mac "It's nice to see that look of alarm on the faces of the others." ~ Graham Chapman Freethinkers Pub Boomer Bay (For those born 1946-1964)
Risky1.freedomfromreli...		#17	[-]
Posts: 353 (14/05/09 15:27:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That is interesting Mac but I am still wondering where those genes are and if they have been labled. Is my anti social nature just a confluence of my choices and environment, or is it a genetic predisposition? Once again I have a number of brothers and sisters who all show different preferences of living environment, community and sizes of social circles. I know from conversations with other people that the way I arrive at the same conclusion or determined course of action is not the same way they cogitate or maybe even feel their way to. In the end I suppose it matters very little if we are able to be trained beyond our basic hard wiring or genetic predispositions which seems entirely possible considering the plasticity of the human brain. But again it is the absurd and its contradictory life that teaches us. For the mistake is thinking that quantity of experience depends on circumstances of our life when it depends soley on us. Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus, translated by J. O'Brien, copyright 1955 by Alfred A. Knopf
Rambo123UK		#18	[-]
Posts: 13764 (14/05/09 22:24:49) Tooth Fairy Agnostic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Druid doesn't do logical or intelligible. Drugs eh? What's the point. They make you forget, make you talk funny, make you see things that aren't there. My old grandma got all of that for free when she had a stroke. - Gene Hunt Bible Babble
Propaganster		#19	[-]
Posts: 410 (14/05/09 23:50:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rambo123UK wrote: Druid doesn't do logical or intelligible. I'M sure he'll try it someday. ~Strength is not measured by the force one uses without but the clout one yields from within ~ Signature designed by Shamrockgirl54
Druid the WebMaster	Risky1	#20	[-]
Posts: 178 (16/05/09 17:31:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Tiglibud" wrote: "You know...I must just say one last tiny thing before I bugger off... What does it matter ...really? If you don't believe/vs. if you do believe? Take a really close look at it. Does it really make any bloody diff? If you do believe...it has its perks. You get piece of mind that there is a life after...a place of heavenly bliss to hang out in ...for all eternity. If you do not believe...it has its perks also... You don't need to think about your behaviour having a lasting affect on a possible 'life-after' ...so go right ahead and do what you want. There is no reason to be 'good' Enjoy your eternity ...or not." And you said: "Seems you have no concept of eternity Tigli. Ready for a truth? Everything dies even stars and universes and eventually the entire cosmos. So the expression of eternity sort of fails now does it not?" and I said: "Things change, Risky but once created as far as eternity is concerned it will last forever so to speak …. Ex: If I draw a circle in the middle of a blue-line paper and color the center of the circle bright yellow with the words idiot in its center. Then set fire to the blue-line and watch it burn completely away, the circle in the middle of a blue-line paper with a bright yellow color and the words idiot in its center. has changed but far from never having happened at all. The idea will last an eternity and even If I draw a circle in the middle of a new blue-line paper and color the center of the circle bright yellow with the words idiot in its center. The original will still be the original and not a copy or the old original work of art so "Seems you have no concept of eternity Tigli. Ready for a truth? Everything dies even stars and universes and eventually the entire cosmos. So the expression of eternity sort of fails now does it not?" will exist forever even if you change them. They remain bogus! Hope this is of some use for you all." And now you are asking: "Is there anyway you could make that last post more incomprehensible and entirely illogical?" Well, Yes I can but your logic still wouldn't allow you to believe or understand Tiglibud's eternity for your personal universe. However. I shall attempt to do so anyway as I did not indicate what I was referring you to. Tiglibud divides "eternity" into a religious concept of spiritual existence and physical existence while I of course consider both just different densities of a totally physical existence. One concept would be limited by whether you believe in it or you don't. In my universe everything begins with understanding and knowledge is a concept that different understanding can be accumulated into processes that can be manipulated by ideas. Of course ideas come from an ability to have such therefore a Creator is crucial to the concept. This Creator can be a Divine entity or a conglomeration of many forces brought together by an ability to assimilate and process all the information, facts, truths, and principles learned throughout time. "Eternity" is a concept where the whole of an amount, area, quantity, or thing is involved or affected it is the condition, quality, or fact of being without beginning or end. It is a timeless state conceived as being experienced after death by religions. I personally place it, for lack of a better word, the biblical void and make the void also a physical accumulation of personal explored universes'. Told you it would be hard for you but if you read it with understanding physical science and eliminating the falsity of anti-existence even you should be able to decipher it's scientifically factuality? The rub is evident only to those that choose to believe or not in a divinity as a quality associated with being God, a god, or a goddess or a fluffy white candy, usually made with egg white and nuts. The Druid

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