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May 31 10 6:27 AM
WordClock wrote:When have I ever said I don't like Jews or ever said anything closely relating to that? You are a known liar and therefore anything you say is suspect. You're not doing yourself any favors by lying.
WordClock wrote:Those names he mentioned are know Holocaust deniers? I've never heard any of those names before so I can't comment on that. Knowing your reputation you are probably just taking rumors and mixing them with your lies but who knows.
WordClock wrote:Oh kinda like how the Founding Father did when talking about traitors? The Founding Fathers used to duel with pistols on the front lawn of the Capitol building over things like that. The military talks about pepper bombing people and killing people like it's nothing all the time. Remember that helicopter video that got leaked a few months ago from Iraq? Those soldiers were talking about shooting to death people like it was nothing (not knowing the whole time they were innocent reporters). In the opinion of most Americans traitors to the country should be hanged. That's not a threat nor is it insanity.
WordClock wrote:No what he is saying (which is obvious without your little assumptions) is that the government under the Bush admin were traitors and anybody who aides a traitor is also liable which means all of the reporters who lied for Bush should be treated as traitors just as the Nazi journalists were. There is no difference.
WordClock wrote:Right and I don't have to agree with all of his opinions to know he's not lying when he says that the sky is blue. Just because you think something he said is offensive doesn't mean that his analysis of the Bin Laden video isn't true. Your ad homiens just do not work on me....you haven't realized that by now?
WordClock wrote:Sorry I'm not concerned with what kind of people may decide to call themselves truthers nor do I care to be socially involved in the truther movement or keep up with all the current gossip amongst them and their skeptics.
WordClock wrote:I'm interested in facts which exist even if the only people who believe the facts are mentally retarded....they don't cease to be facts.. For you if a person disagrees with you then when he tells you the sky is blue you cry "Bullshit, you hate Jews!" You're an irrational fucktard and you should probably try to work on that.
WordClock wrote:But you're dishonest and you make shit up like it's no big deal all the time so I don't understand why you, of all people, try to always discredit people when you yourself have been discredited. It's just kinda pointless.....but that's just my opinion.
WordClock wrote:Even if what you say is true that doesn't mean that the sky isn't blue when he claims it is. Facts are fucking facts. It's more than obvious that the two people in the videos are not the same Bin Laden, I don't need anybody to tell me what I can clearly see with my own eyes. So, even if Barrett's views are the exact same as let's say Hitler, the sky is still fucking blue.[/quoe]
Again with the lame comparisons to the color of the sky.
[quote="WordClock"]BTW, what kind of Jew hater talks bad about Hitler and the Nazi's and claim they should be executed as traitors? All the people I've ever heard of that hate Jews tend to like Hitler. Just doesn't add up.
WordClock wrote:I'm saying that over the span of a human life everyone says many things that are true and that aren't true, Hitler may have been a monster but was he wrong when he said that chocolate milk tastes good simply because he was a monster? I don't think so. Even Bush said things that were facts that I could agree with, that doesn't mean I liked him. Just reverse that logic and apply it to your argument......all of them.
WordClock wrote:But your answer was pretty vague. Were you saying that you see no reason to think that they are not the same Bin Laden?
WordClock wrote:I haven't produced any proof but the entire team of Swiss scientists did any they all agree it's fake. I guess they all must be truthers and it's all a big conspiracy huh? Now go ahead and start trying to discredit every member of that Swiss lab, did one of them forget to pay a parking ticket once?
WordClock wrote:It's fun to speculate but I have reason to believe that C.I.A. produced the fake videos because they are known for doing things like that as they just admitted to doing exactly that in the article above. I mean we know they are capable of it and have considered (even created and produced) using fake videos tells me that they probably have already been doing that for years now. But who cares, people like you love being manipulated as long as it's for "the greater good".
WordClock wrote:Yeah and that means a lot coming from a guy who says that I admired Saddam because I disagree with the Iraqi invasion.
May 31 10 6:18 PM
Of course you haven't said so outright. In that regard you are smarter that Barrett. You have however ranted against Israel and the Jews on Wall Street.
Are you fucking kidding me? David Irving is probably the most (in)famous Holocaust denier out there. The antisemite Mark Green and the Neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel aren't as well known but you are free to look them up.
Comparing Barrett's words to those spoken centuries ago or those spoken by soldiers in combat is pretty dishonest. Barrett made his comments in the comfort of his home (presumably) in the 21st century.
Of course it's what he's saying. People who don't agree with him are lying for Bush/the state and are therefore traitors to the people and should hang.
You continue to act like his sick views are separate from his belief in 9-11 truth.
Anyway, Kevin Barrett isn't just a truther. He's one of the best known truthers out there, along with such filth as Jones, Griffin and Gage.
You have never been interested in facts. You have a religion and it's called 9-11 Truth.
What have I made up about these people?
Don't be silly. Barrett was using the Nazi's as examples of what should happen to his enemies. He never "talked bad" about Hitler.
Where are all these Hitler truths?
Yes, that is what I was saying.
Again moron, the Swiss team was talking about an audio tape. Not the video tape we are discussing.
Again, you haven't a shred of evidence the CIA published fake videos Not a single piece.
I've never accused you of admiring the guy. However your resistance to his removal is the same as supporting him.
May 31 10 8:50 PM
WordClock wrote:Like I said I'm not into the whole Zionist Jew hating thing so I don't pay much attention to it. I've always been kinda curious as to how anyone could justify denying the holocaust when there are pictures and video of it (not to mention thousands of soldiers who helped free the camps) but I figured the whole thing is too stupid to invest time into. I was under the impression that the Nazi's admitted to the camps but I guess not.
WordClock wrote:Why does it matter when the words were said? Does it really mean something different to say that traitors should be hung a hundred years ago then it does today? I think not.
WordClock wrote: Barrett (and I hate to defend someone I know almost nothing about) was stating that the government in made up of a bunch of traitors and they should be hung. That's the same thing as a soldier talking about hanging the enemy. You don't see it that way because you don't think that they are traitors.
WordClock wrote:Was George Washington insane for saying the exact same thing about certain members of the early American government? Or is he allowed to say it because it happened in a different century?
WordClock wrote:No dumbass he never said that "people who don't agree with him should be hanged". There is a big difference between disagreeing with someone and lying. Me and my neighbor can disagree about Bush but that doesn't mean he helped cover up lies for the White House does it? Why is you logic so fucked?
WordClock wrote:I just don't see anything sick about saying that traitors should be hanged. Most Americans agree with that. You don't like it because Bush is your hero and therefore you are insulted just like a North Korean solder would be insulted if you disagreed with Kim Jong II.
WordClock wrote:Maybe he's popular with the skeptic crowd and may be well known by some Truthers but he isn't a pioneer like Jones or Griffin. Like I said, I don't pay too much attention the personal lives of these people.
WordClock wrote:Well I can say the same for you. You have a religion called "Government worship". You bow down at night and beg your masters to have mercy on your doubting soul. Deep down you know you are being played for a fool but you feel guilty about it which makes you pray even harder. You are the most religious skeptic I've ever met.
WordClock wrote:Oh, but a better question is what have you made up about me. You sit there and call me names like racist because I disagree with Obama.
WordClock wrote:You call me a Jew hater because I disagree with Wall Street.
WordClock wrote:You openly lie to me...about me.....and expect me to believe things you say about other people as if you didn't just make that up out of thin air as well. Your reputation isn't working out for your best interests.
WordClock wrote: and is a founding member of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance (MUJCA), established October 30, 2004
Yeah he must really hate Jews because we all know that people who hate Jews love to establish organizations that help unite Jews and Christians and Muslims in peace. What a dirt bag!
WordClock wrote: "Like Bush and the neocons, Hitler and the Nazis inaugurated their new era by destroying an architectural monument and blaming its destruction on their designated enemies."
WordClock wrote:Barrett wants Bush tried and hung for war crimes and he compares Bush to Hitler. Obviously he thinks what Hitler did was wrong or he wouldn't want Bush hung for doing the exact same thing. Since he is comparing Bush to Hitler it's only common sense that if he admired Hitler he would therefore also admire Bush....but he doesn't.
WordClock wrote:"* "It was intended to set the American empire in stone for at least a hundred years, perhaps even to found a new, imperial 1000-year Reich like the ones the Nazis dreamed of."
WordClock wrote:Here are a few things Hitler said that are true:
"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach."
"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."
"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
"It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge."
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
WordClock wrote:Then it's official, you are blind as a bat. Only a total dumb shit could look at those two images and see the same man.
WordClock wrote:I was talking about tapes and video, sorry you don't want to talk about it.
WordClock wrote:The video tapes and the audio tapes are both fake and were both used for the same purpose, to lie to us. You fell for it, I didn't.
WordClock wrote:You mean besides them admitting to it? LOL. Anyways, besides their admission I don't have any evidence that the C.I.A. made fake tapes which means I could be wrong. It could have been the NSA or FBI or like you said, Bin Laden's people. Those are the only options because it wasn't Joe Blow in Idaho that made the tapes and got them aired on CNN and MSNBC.
WordClock wrote:Okay then with that same logic I say that you supporting the war is an act of treason and you should be sent to the gallows. You're a traitor who fell for the lies and then once you realized they were lies you helped cover them up. Off with his head!
WordClock wrote:So let me get this right. You are for the invasion and liberation of every nation that isn't "free" or is being ruled by a dictator. If you don't think that we should be in Africa, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, and South America then you must support all of those governments actions. You are going to have an expensive liberation, I wonder how many people will have to die for it. Hopefully there will still be people around to actually enjoy a liberation after all the smoke has cleared.
Jun 1 10 7:55 AM
Yes it matters because context matters and languages/culture change over time.
But it's not only the government Barrett is talking about. It's journalists whose only crime is to not buy into the 9-11 truth movement.
No, I assume George Washington wasn't insane. I also assume that when he called someone a traitor it wasn't just for disagreeing with him.
It's the fact that Barrett think people who disagree with him are lying.
He doesn't even acknowledge that opposing viewpoints can be held by other people.
Disagree with Barrett and you are lying, lie and you are a traitor
And you can knock off that "Bush is your hero" crap. I have accused the man of borderline criminal ignorance and arogance.
LOL, no he's detested for his anti-Semitism and all-round insanity by the skeptic crowd.
And I like how you attempt to minimize his influence, not to mention the pioneer tag you use for assholes like Jones and Grifter.
If I can be said to have a religion, I guess it is evidence.
That's not actually true. My suspicion of your racist beliefs came from your inability to explain what you didn't like about Obama's policies.
Your opposition to him seemed personal and not political.
I call you a Jew hater because you think all the world's economic problems were caused by the banks on Wall Street who you also said were run by Jews.
It's just a name. It means nothing.
comparing Bush to Hitler doesn't make him any less insane in my book.
Hitler is the perfect comparison if you want to smear somebody and Barret knows that.
And I've never argued he admired Hitler.
And you don't think those statements are colored by what kind of person Hitler was and what his beliefs were? It's basically a guide to dictatorship.
Of course it's possible that you are right, but it begs the question why aren't more people agreeing with you on the subject?
It's a question of you dodging the responsibility to come up with evidence that supports your claim that the video tape wasn't of Bin Laden. The Swiss experts can't help you there.
They never admitted to publishing fake tapes.
Which country am I supposed to be a traitor to?
As I have said many times I'm all for the removal of dictators around the world.
The latest news from Iraq is heartwarming; the recent election has limited the Iranian influence and given more power to non-sectarian parties.
Jun 1 10 5:39 PM
WordClock wrote:Sorry but in this case nothing has changed, a traitor is still a traitor and the military will kill you over it. Traitors are executed even though it doesn't happen very often.
WordClock wrote:Actually he never said anything about that in the quotes you posted. He was talking about the journalists who help cover up the lies...like CNN. Alex Jones went a step further and told CNN to their face in an interview that they are responsible for thousands of innocent Iraqi's deaths for helping cover up the lie of WMD's in Iraq and should be tried for treason.
WordClock wrote:Well yes actually it was for disagreeing with him. Every political issue is a matter of perspective and opinion. Another example would be Jefferson and Adams famous feud where Adams wanted a more centralized government and Jefferson wanted limited government. Both men accused each other of treason and lies and the only thing that stood between their two arguments was a matter of lack of agreement on that single issue.
WordClock wrote:And they might be. That's insanity to you? News flash: People Lie!
WordClock wrote:If he didn't then he would've said "everybody who doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job should be hanged"...but he didn't say that. He was talking only about the people in the media that covered up the lies, if you didn't help cover up a lie and you disagree with his viewpoints you are safe from his "insanity". I'm not saying that I agree with him necessarily, it's a bit excessive but I wouldn't call it insanity.
WordClock wrote:I've just established that this isn't the case but consider the fact that you are accusing him of doing something you do yourself. You say that anyone who doesn't support the invasion of Iraq supports Saddam. Of course you haven't said that anyone should be hanged but you assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a Saddam sympathizer and/or racist. Pure dishonesty.
WordClock wrote:There is nothing criminal about arrogance and if you think Bush was ignorant than you haven't a clue. We are talking about an Ivy Leaguer who ran multi-million dollar businesses who was also raised by the ex-President and head of the C.I.A.
WordClock wrote:Besides, Bush isn't the most important criminal involved in 9/11, there are others who deserve more jail time than him. I'm not much into the death penalty thing but I don't blame people for disagreeing with me about that.
WordClock wrote:I wasn't trying to minimize anything, Jones is a pioneer but Griffin is a legend.
WordClock wrote:Oh yeah, good one. I tell you the sky is blue and to look out the window for proof and you tell me I'm insane and a racist because the sky is actually not blue it's bluish white with a touch of green. Evidence to you is a game of semantics and denial.
WordClock wrote:Did you just pull that out of your ass or your vagina? I've mentioned about six million things I don't like about Obama's policies since he's been in office, you just don't pay attention. I can list them all for you if you'd like but your gonna have to ask nicely.
WordClock wrote:Not true. I remember also saying that we have to arrest all the criminal bankers who are not all Jewish. There are plenty of non-Jewish banks involved in the fraud and I know you remember me saying that.
WordClock wrote:Also, I never said that all the worlds economic problem were caused by the banks.
WordClock wrote:If i said that a lot of the drug related crime in New Mexico is due to drug cartels and that those drug cartels are run by Mexicans does that mean I hate all Mexicans? It's a fact that Mexicans run the drug cartels in both the U.S. and Mexico but nobody considers that a racist view.
WordClock wrote:Well that's your opinion but you course you can't back it up with evidence. But see there we go again, evidence means nothing to you. The sky is bluish white with a touch of green.
WordClock wrote:Why, are you an idiot or something? Why is it so unbelievable that Bush would have so many similar national policies as Hitler? It's a fact that they did have similar policies, propaganda and thought process' as the Nazi regime.
WordClock wrote:Barrett isn't the first or last to compare the two. When people compare Bush or Obama to Hitler they aren't saying that Bush and Oabam want to murder all the Jews. More often than not people are referring the similar polices set by the two men.
WordClock wrote:How would you know something like that? Are you using you mind reading powers on him again?
WordClock wrote:But you said he was an anti-semite. How many anti-semites out there despise Hitler? Not many I'm guessing.
WordClock wrote:Of course it is but what does that have to do with it being a fact or not? Just because you don't agree with why he said it doesn't mean that what he said isn't true.
WordClock wrote:I'll repeat myself, if Hitler told you the sky was blue would you really disagree with him based on his motives for telling you so? Come on.
WordClock wrote:As if that even matters. Most people, for one, don't care enough to even consider it. Most people are too busy to worry about things like that and just trust the government because they feel there is nothing they could do about it even if it was true. Most people believe that the government would never harm us so if they lie it must be for our own good. There are hundreds of reason why most people don't agree with me but it's doesn't make any difference.
WordClock wrote:Besides the articles I posted I have my own two eyes and can tell for myself that the two men in the tapes are not the same Bin Laden.
WordClock wrote:And the Swiss experts actually can help me there because they proved the audio tape to be a fake which means that the government does put out fake tapes and claim them to be real which in turn means that there is no reason to believe they would not put out fake videos as well considering the fact that they admit to creating them. It's not very complicated.
WordClock wrote:But they admit to creating them and considering putting them out which means they see nothing wrong with doing so just as long as it works. they didn't think it would work or that people would even believe the videos so they scrapped it. What they didn't do was scrap it because it's wrong. If they thought they could have pulled it off they would have. There is no reason to believe otherwise.
WordClock wrote: Which country am I supposed to be a traitor to?
The one you live in.
WordClock wrote:And I suppose you expect the U.S. to fund that ambitious adventure of yours too huh? Of course you aren't actually going to help remove anything, you just want to watch shit blow up from your tv screen. And who gets to decide who is a dictator and who isn't? You? Holly shit!
WordClock wrote:Yeah, keep trying that for another 2,00 years and let me know how things turn out.
Jun 1 10 10:42 PM
Same thing, you moron. Journalists who don't agree with Kevin Barrett are part of the cover up and therefore traitors who should hang.
So the retarded way US politicians fight today is actually inherited from the founding fathers. I did not know that.
When you automatically think people you disagree with are part of a conspiracy then you are paranoid and yes; insane.
How do you differentiate between people who might be part of the cover up and people who honestly hold different viewpoints? There's no indication Barrett makes the distinction. I call that insane. Especially when a cover up has never been proved.
Regarding Saddam, if you think he shouldn't have been removed then you are implicitly supporting him.
You could check out Peter W. Galbraith's book The End of Iraq for evidence Bush didn't know the distinction between Sunni and Shia right up until the liberation. That's ignorance and arrogance.
Wow. You have no evidence Bush or any part of the administration were involved in 9-11. Speculation simply isn't good enough.
Yeah, a legendary scam artist.
Pretty please tell me which Obama policies you don't like and why. Don't forget the why.
Yet, you did also say that the banking industry is run by the Jews.
No, not directly, but you have never said anything about who is also responsible.
And you did specifically ignore the irresponsibility of the Greek government to blame "bankers".
Not a similar situation. For it to be similar you would also have to blame the problems that lead to drug use on the Mexicans.
The evidence is Barrett's Holocaust denial.
Complete and utter bullshit.
When the left compare Bush to Hitler and the right does the same to Obama they both show and incredible ignorance about Hitler and the horrors of Nazi Germany and a complete lack of perspective.
Everybody knows it.
Being an anti-Semite does not necessarily make you a Nazi or Hitler admirer.
I don't agree we are talking about facts. I think we are talking about subjective observations of a madman.
But we aren't talking about the color of the sky or chocolate milk. Your examples are specifically chosen for their innocence. My argument is that Barrett's views aren't innocent.
Or maybe people think your ridiculous claims require some evidence. Maybe people aren't satisfied by your speculation. Your assumption that if only people cared enough they would agree with you, is evidence of the arrogance of the truther movement. You guys don't have no respect for regular people. Which is why you like to call them sheeple.
The only article that supported your claim was by the holocaust denier Barrett.
The Swiss expert did not prove the audio tape was fake.
Second, you can't just claim this proves the government knowingly put out a faked tape.
You have no evidence for that. Third, you can't use you previous assumptions to claim that the government is probably also putting out fake video tapes. Your logic is incredibly flawed and it gets worse for each speculative leap you take.
There isn't any evidence they even contemplated faking tapes for the Western public as part of a 9-11 cover up. Zero evidence.
The US is a superpower and with great power comes great responsibility. Just ask Uncle Ben. And I admit I do like watching shit blow up.
Oh it burns you that things are going in the right direction in Iraq. You'd rather the Iraqi people suffer than you being proven wrong.
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