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Who besides Bush is involved? Are some foreign individuals also involved?
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Moebius Duck wrote: Thank you. WordClock wrote: Back to lying again, huh asshole?
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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See below
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Okay I found it. You're right, you didn't say conspiracy theories don't exist. You said conspiracies don't exist period. Even worse.
conspiracy theories exist, it's the conspiracies in conspiracy theories that don't exist. http://biblebabble.yuku.com/sreply/32116/t/One-for-WC-and-other-conspiracy-theorists-.html
People don't choose to believe in God as so much as they choose not to
believe in nothing.
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Moebius Duck |
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Wrong again. Invunche said "...conspiracies in conspiracy theories that don't exist". In other words, false conspiracies.
As far as I know, he has not said anything about true conspiracies -- such as Watergate proved to be.
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Define "true conspiracies," Ducky. |
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If I were to walk in here before Watergate and say, "Hey guys, there is evidence that says the President of the U.S. is spying and lying to the American
people." Invunche would call me a nutty conspiracy theorist and everyone would agree. But in the end it would be him and his trendy followers that are the
real joke seeing as how they consider themselves to be intellectuals but couldn't look at obvious evidence. It's absolutely hilarious to think about.
Take a look at all the conspiracies involving Kissinger and the Vietnam war. Nobody gives a shit though because admitting that there is a conspiracy means that you are obligated to do something about it, which isn't the case at all. It's as if skeptics feels like if they admit they are a slave it will crush their ego. "No! I'm in control goddammit!" screams the slave to save his pride from total imploding on him. He also feels a sense of guilt by knowing the truth because by acknowledging the truth and not doing anything to inform others at risk of sounding like a nut he is guilty. The skeptic is not always, but most often a coward who knows things are fucked but is too much of a pussy to admit it to himself. What's funny is you can pick a skeptic out of a random line-up, they all act and talk the exact same. |
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Yes. It's fear and insecurity that drives those that deny the existence of conspiracies. It's far easier to go with the crowd, and do something
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Tan, when you stop believing in magic I might listen to any psychological theories you have. As it is now you're are about as valuable as astrology.
WC's hate of skeptics is almost legendary now. He likes to come up with all sorts of strange explanations about guilt and ego. Like most of his posts it's retarded self-serving bullshit. Maybe one day he will realize that he's still very religious. Where Christianity once gave him explanations and a sense of direction, conspiracy theories now fill that obvious void in his mind. Where the bible and preachers presumably told him what to believe, conspiracy sites and videos now do that for him. He's intellectually lazy. Does not want to read. Is easily persuaded by superficial arguments he's found on those conspiracy sites. When you try to get him to dig beneath the surface of those arguments his response has always been anger. We can only guess as to why that is. An Watergate is a perfect example. They couldn't keep that shit secret even though only a few people actually knew.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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WC is already finding out that any attempt to express any opinion which doesn't agree 100% with those held by those who belong to a conspiracy theory group
will lead to his prompt expulsion from that group. Hopefully, he'll eventually learn that it's in his own best interest to join those groups which have
his own best interest in mind -- and he might decide that taking a peek at the weird goings-on at 4773 Hollywood Blvd. might be worth a try.
As for tan, it's perhaps best to write him off as a hopeless case.
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tanaka.theseason |
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Yes, Invunche's and Ducky's protestations are symptomatic of the condition called cognitive dissonance.
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Invunche |
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The Masons will come to get you in your sleep tonight.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings. - Victor Stenger
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WC's hate of skeptics is almost legendary now. He likes to come up with all sorts of strange explanations about guilt and ego. Like most of his posts it's retarded self-serving bullshit. Maybe one day he will realize that he's still very religious. Where Christianity once gave him explanations and a sense of direction, conspiracy theories now fill that obvious void in his mind. Where the bible and preachers presumably told him what to believe, conspiracy sites and videos now do that for him. He's intellectually lazy. Does not want to read. Is easily persuaded by superficial arguments he's found on those conspiracy sites. When you try to get him to dig beneath the surface of those arguments his response has always been anger. We can only guess as to why that is. I don't hate skeptics, I am a skeptic. I am skeptical that the mass sheeple know what's really going on. I'm skeptical that corruption doesn't penetrate the highest of positions like history shows us it does. I'm skeptical of the official explanation of many events that happen in my country and beyond. What I am not is a cynical skeptic or better....career skeptic. That's right I don't make money from shooting down theories like the best career skeptics do to get a following to buy their books. Around here a skeptic is only skeptical of certain things, that's why I say that you can pick a skeptic out of a line up. It's all text book skepticism and it's very, very predictable. I haven't been religious since I was a wee little boy, I've believed in the gov't conspiracy for about 5 years. I was kicked out of three high schools for my lack of obedience to my teachers and superiors. Needless to say I'm not good at letting people think for me as Invunche suggests. While I am an Alex Jones fan I disagree with a lot of what he says and I've written articles about it and his flaws. How you described me above, Invunche does describe many if not most "believers" but it certainly doesn't describe me nor is it consistent with my claims or behavior. I've been banned from the Alex Jones forum many times including currently because I don't allow people to put out mis-information uncontested. One thing I've learned over the past few years is that no matter what I say, Invunche is going to disagree. Because it comes form me it must be wrong (though none of this comes from me it comes from the news). I never expect to convince him or do I care to convince him of anything, people like Invunche get what they deserve. I want to him to find out he's wrong the hard way and it will happen.
Yes, they got caught. No secret is kept forever. Just because we don't know about it directly doesn't mean it isn't happening. If they would have not gotten busted red handed (rather than secret being exposed as Invunche suggests) then we would still be in the dark about it and people like you would still deny the fact that Presidents lie. But like I said in my last post, if Invunche admits that Presidents and politicians lie, in his head that makes him a sucker and damages his ego. It's so cute and primal of skeptics to avoid personal dissatisfaction like that. Little does Inchunche know that he is playing right into their hands. They mix truth and fiction and make it seem like anything with the word conspiracy in it is ridiculous and the sheep believe it. It's classic manipulation. Reverse psychology. So, while Invunche thinks he is a skeptic he isn't, he's just retarded. |
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WC is already finding out that any attempt to express any opinion which doesn't agree 100% with those held by those who belong to a conspiracy theory group will lead to his prompt expulsion from that group. Hopefully, he'll eventually learn that it's in his own best interest to join those groups which have his own best interest in mind -- and he might decide that taking a peek at the weird goings-on at 4773 Hollywood Blvd. might be worth a try. He's referring me being banned from the Alex Jones forum for an article I posted on the myth that the Fed has never been audited. Listen Ducky, just because I don't agree with somebody 100% of the time doesn't mean that I shouldn't listen to anything they say, if that were the case I wouldn't even be talking to you right now. Nobody is perfect, me and Alex disagree on the details but over-all I agree him. We disagree on the details of the Fed but we both agree the Fed needs to be shut down. That's all that really matters. By the way Ron Paul's bill to do a real audit of the Fed has 308 co-sponsors. That's huge! |
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WordClock wrote:Exactly. But the people at the Alex Jones forum did not reciprocate by listening to what you had to say. Wouldn't it be a lot more satisfactory for everyone concerned to belong to a group where everybody is willing to listen to what you have to say, even if they don't agree 100% ( or even 50%! ) with you? That's what Carl Sagan did with Immanuel Velikovsky. Sagan provided Velikovsky with a forum for the full free expression of Velikovsky's ideas.
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Yes Ducky that is exactly what I want. That's why I like you so much because you are open minded even though you mostly disagree. We don't have to
agree with each other to respect each others views. But here and a few other boards (though mostly here) it doesn't work like that. If you post a
Velikovsky video then you are a dipshit. If you say something that Invunche disagrees with, you're an idiot. He's a troll which is why I am not
bothered by him. Notice that when Rambo isn't around nobody comes here anymore, that's because we are left with Invunche and he is about as open minded
as a dog.You're about 10 levels deeper than he could ever hope to be which is why you are more understanding of other peoples views. Kudos.
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tanaka wrote: Guess I should practice what I preach. I'm listening to what Tan is saying, and trying to make some sense out of it. In what ways are my "protestations" symptomatic of the condition called cognitive dissonance, Tan?
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The main difference between Invunche and Rambo on one side and me on the other is that I don't see any benefit for anybody in my engaging in profanity
or ad hominem attacks. But perhaps they see some advantage that I don't see. In any case, they are free to do as they like with their board, and
you seem to be quite capable of dealing with any pixel patterns that they may deliver.
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I don't believe MoDucky suffers from cognitive dissonance but Invunche does for sure. MoDucky is trying to understand but can't seem to get past the
fact that people are just greedy and selfish by nature. Just like the chimps.
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Moebius Duck |
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You're right about the present status of us
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